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04-20-2008, 11:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

Performance Distributors' Mini-VIP is a voltage step up regulator that works with any 12 volt battery to boost voltage output up to 18 volts. Typical gains on a V8 motor are 7-10 horsepower and torque at the wheels.

No additional battery is needed! Works with or without an alternator.

A simple three wire hookup sends a sizzling 18 volts to your ignition system. Because electronic ignitions like voltage, the 18 volt output of the Mini-VIP will allow you to open up your spark plug gaps to an astounding .070"-.075". The larger gap will burn the fuel mixture more completely on each piston stroke and in most cases will allow you to re-jet the carburetor to run a richer fuel mixture. A richer fuel mixture will mean more horsepower!

An important feature of the Mini-VIP is that it will prevent voltage drop to the ignition system which is commonly experienced from a discharging 12 volt battery. The result is an optimally performing ignition system for your entire race. The Mini-VIP is small enough to mount anywhere and is easy to install. All parts are surface mounted and encapsulated in moisture proof silicone, making the Mini-VIP vibration proof. In order to insure reliability, every unit is tested in house.

Although you can run the Mini-VIP with any ignition system that can withstand 18 volts, we recommend that you run it with our proven DUI and Screamin' Demon ignition systems.

The Mini-VIP is covered by a two year warranty.

SPECIFICATIONS:Weight = 1 lb, Dimensions: Length = 3", Width = 2", Height = 2"

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04-21-2008, 09:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

No specs on current capacity (amps)? Or minimum operating volgate? How many ignition systems are spec'd to handle 18+ volts? And they neglect to mention that if you are running just a battery (no alternator) this will cause the battery to discharge much faster than if your ignition is running on 12 volts.
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04-22-2008, 11:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

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No specs on current capacity (amps)? Or minimum operating volgate? How many ignition systems are spec'd to handle 18+ volts? And they neglect to mention that if you are running just a battery (no alternator) this will cause the battery to discharge much faster than if your ignition is running on 12 volts.
1) The unit draws no more than 6 amps.

2) Works with any 12 volt battery.

3) Almost all of Performance Distributors' D.U.I. coils and Screamin' Demon Coils work great with the 18 volts. Most of the MSD systems will take 18 volts.

4) Running without an alternator will drain your battery fairly quickly, which reduces the voltage going to your ignition system, hence deteriorating the spark at your plugs.

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04-22-2008, 05:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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1) The unit draws no more than 6 amps.

2) Works with any 12 volt battery.

3) Almost all of Performance Distributors' D.U.I. coils and Screamin' Demon Coils work great with the 18 volts. Most of the MSD systems will take 18 volts.

4) Running without an alternator will drain your battery fairly quickly, which reduces the voltage going to your ignition system, hence deteriorating the spark at your plugs.

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1. Does that mean it can not supply any more than 4 amps at the 18 volt output? That is not sufficient for many CD boxes such as MSD's 6AL, which draws over 1 amp per 1000rpm.

2. understood

3. Has there been any testing to verify that this device is beneficial to a CD type ignition? Since the output voltage on a CD box is determined by it's internal circuitry and voltage regulation, and not usually directly tied to Vin?

4. As far as I know, most electronic ignition systems will stop working correctly at around 8-10 volts, which is basically when the battery's capacity is almost completely depleted. If you were to continue drawing on the battery, it would be a matter of minutes before it was completely drained, so a voltage multiplier wouldn't buy you much time. Combine that with the fact that running at 18v can increase current consumption by about 50%, and you've cut battery life by 33% due to increased load, and only extended it by less than ~5% with the voltage multiplication.
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04-24-2008, 12:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

1. Does that mean it can not supply any more than 4 amps at the 18 volt output? That is not sufficient for many CD boxes such as MSD's 6AL, which draws over 1 amp per 1000rpm. We did not design it originally for CD systems. We designed it with our DUI and Screamin' Demon Coils which only draw 2 to 3 amps. Note that MSD's new digital boxes only draw .7 amps per 1000 rpm, which means you could theoretically turn 8000 rpm an still only draw 5.6 volts.

2. understood

3. Has there been any testing to verify that this device is beneficial to a CD type ignition? Since the output voltage on a CD box is determined by it's internal circuitry and voltage regulation, and not usually directly tied to Vin? No in-house testing has been performed by us on CD systems because as mentioned above, we designed the 18 Volt Mini-VIP for our own D.U.I. and Screamin' Demon coils-but we do have customers that run them with CD systems. Many round track racers who run a cd ignition, that do not run an alternator, can drain their batteries pretty quick. They can really benefit from our Mini-VIP.


4. As far as I know, most electronic ignition systems will stop working correctly at around 8-10 volts, which is basically when the battery's capacity is almost completely depleted. If you were to continue drawing on the battery, it would be a matter of minutes before it was completely drained, so a voltage multiplier wouldn't buy you much time. Combine that with the fact that running at 18v can increase current consumption by about 50%, and you've cut battery life by 33% due to increased load, and only extended it by less than ~5% with the voltage multiplication.
If you run an alternator, which is recommended in most all applications, your battery will be maintained.

Keep in mind the intent of increasing the voltage to 18 is to be able to run wider plug gaps, richen your fuel mixture, leading to more power.

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04-24-2008, 03:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

This device has been outlawed by IMCA and NASCAR for circle track racing.
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04-26-2008, 07:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

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1. Does that mean it can not supply any more than 4 amps at the 18 volt output? That is not sufficient for many CD boxes such as MSD's 6AL, which draws over 1 amp per 1000rpm. We did not design it originally for CD systems. We designed it with our DUI and Screamin' Demon Coils which only draw 2 to 3 amps. Note that MSD's new digital boxes only draw .7 amps per 1000 rpm, which means you could theoretically turn 8000 rpm an still only draw 5.6 volts.
I guess you meant to say and only draw 5.6A.

But if the unit draws a maximum of 6A @ 12V, that would mean a current limit of 4A @18V assuming 100% efficiency. So the RPM limit when using the "new digital box" would be down to 5700 rpm, assuming 100% efficiency.

Small DC-DC converters are typically 70-80% efficient.
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04-27-2008, 06:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

I just gotta say big ups to sdavis he seems to be answering alot of questions and not losing his cool at all I know some people have a hard time with that but its nice to see a vendor out there answering questions.

Also since its been banned by nascar does that mean it works?

Oh yeah how would something like this effect a Distributor less Ignition System such as fords EDIS just wondering thanks alot
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04-29-2008, 11:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Mini-VIP 18 Viscious Volts

If it would be beneficial, most car manufacturers wouldn't put a resistor in series with the coil, they'd put a step-up converter between the coil instead...
CD boxes do not gain anything, as they have a equal device built in... (they can run as low as 9 volts, to up to 24 volts, with equal performance... Says enough...)
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04-29-2008, 12:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Better Explanation for You

Our 18 volt Mini-V.I.P. units only draw as much current as needed to supply your ignition. While it is capable of supplying 6 amps at 18 volts, it only supplies as much as needed, thus drawing only what is necessary from your battery.
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