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09-12-2003, 02:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
uniquebrett
 
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

Will a 400 M bellhousing match up to the back of a 460 ford? and if so will a 3speed with od top loader manual truck transmission (4 speed) bolt up to this bellhousing? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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09-12-2003, 02:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

It will bolt up. I am not sure about the 3 speed to a 4 speed.

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09-12-2003, 02:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

If it's a truck bell, you can't use it with a 4-speed on a 460
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09-13-2003, 09:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

since we are on this subject. will the 400s clutch and all work on the 460

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09-14-2003, 01:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

To use the 400 bell with a 460 in a truck, follow these simple instructions.

Make sure your 460 is internally balanced.

Run a 390 Flywheel, but call L&L enterprises and order their ring gear. The 390 ring gear will eat starters.

Run a 400 diaphram clutch. Need it to be able to fit it all in the shallower bell housing.

A 400 pilot bushing should fit the crank, but there are some 460 cranks that wont accept the pilot bushing for whatever reason.

Either a 400 or 460 starter will work, your choice.

You will need the spacer plate that came with the bellhousing, but you must enlarge the hole the crank goes through, as the 400 crank flange is of smaller diameter.

You will also need the clutch equilizer bar pivot ball that bolts to the bellhousing, should come off the truck you get the rest of the parts from.

If your 460 is not internally balanced, I know of no cheap way to make it work, Call L&L and order their complete kit.

Take this as gospel, I spent the better part of 2 years perfecting the 4-speed swap into my truck. Unfortunately my 3+1 OD tranny has just bit the big one, blew first gear out. If your going to do this swap, have a nice NP435 ready to go in if that 3+1 fails.

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09-14-2003, 01:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

Darrell, By 3+od are you refering to the cast iron trans or the aluminum internal shifted SROD?
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09-15-2003, 11:47 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ITs the aluminum cased tranny, but is shifted through the top plate, like a T-18 or NP435 versus the tube like the car model SROD. I've always heard it called the TOD (top loader Overdrive) Case is a tad different from the SROD I have sitting in my shop, but I assume they are pretty close to the same internally.
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09-16-2003, 04:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

so...Darrell...will the tod ( 3 speed manual with od) transmission bolt up to the 400m bellhousing or not. should I hunt for all the 460 parts to hook up to a manual tranny (since the 460 I have is bolted to a AT) or use the 400m parts you listed. I want to use the 460 and the TOD manual tranny.
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09-16-2003, 01:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
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IT should bolt up without any trouble. Same bolt pattern and everything. Just be gentle with the tranny, it dont like speed shifts...
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09-16-2003, 11:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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400M bellhousing = 460 ??!??

The reason I asked about aluminum or cast iron is that I have run both behind my blown 302 and just the Srod in my 27. You are right, the aluminum SROD will not take much abuse. I 'm having good luck so far with the cast iron 3+1 od in the blown 302 and I do lay into it pretty hard.
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