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07-13-2004, 02:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
67Comet
 
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460\'s with a stick?

Has anyone seen any kits to stick a toploader behind a 385 series block? (429/460). I currently have a toploader in my car, and have access to a couple 460 engines with every thing. They just need cleaned up and put together again (bored out, fluxed, mirror polish the crank, and stick some new pistons on and it's good to go).

I've got the article on triming the shock towers, and have a set of headers that work in my car with the new'er big blocks with room for clutch linkage. I'm just having a tough time seeing anything for the 460 besides the C6. (I like to row my own so to speak).

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07-13-2004, 02:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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460\'s with a stick?

HI
You can still row your own with a mainual shift C6.
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07-13-2004, 02:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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460\'s with a stick?

Guess I should have said .. I don't wanna buy a new transmission AGAIN .. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] Not to mention I like feeling the motor with my feet -clutch-)
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07-13-2004, 04:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]lakewood makes a bellhousing, and you should be able to find a flywheel at www.summitracing.com as for the tranmission, you will need a daytona top loader with the larger input shaft, or a richmond 4+1 5spd, or even the rod 6spd tranny.
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07-13-2004, 06:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
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460\'s with a stick?

I may be wrong(it certainly wouldn't be the first time), but couldn't you just get a bellhousing from a 351 or 400 modified and use just about any ford manual transmission from there. I know for a fact that the bolt pattern is the same between them. So, assuming the tranny to bellhousing bolt pattern is the same, it seems you could use just about any trans you liked.

Just some food for thought.
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07-13-2004, 07:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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460\'s with a stick?

I put together my own 385 clutch kit out of cheap parts. as long as your working with a neutral balance engine, this works great. I completed this swap after months of trial and error with my 74 F-350. The engine will soon be going into my 81 4x4, and the clutch will not even be touched it worked so well. No slippage noticed, although traction with tore up offroad tires is rather limited.

You need a 400 bellhousing. Also will need the block plate for the bellhousing. You will have to enlarge the opening in the plate for the crank, the diameter of the 400 crank flange is much smaller than the 460. The bolt pattern is the same as almost any other ford transmission, with the exception of the narrow pattern stuff from the early 60's.

You will also need a 390 flywheel. The 360 will not work because the bolt pattern for the pressure plate is too small. A 400 flywheel will not work because despite what some may say, the bolt pattern for the crank is too small on a 400. The only change to be made to the flywheel is that you will need to use an L&L ring gear. The toothcount on the 390 flywheel is wrong, and you WILL eat starters. Been there done that. The L&L gear can be bought from L&L for approx 60 dollars, and will drop right onto the 390 flywheel. I have not yet tried, but for a 20 buck investment, you can see if a 400 ring gear will fit the 390 flywheel as well. If it does, let me know and save me 40 bucks next time I do one of these [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

You will need a diaphragm clutch for the 400 bellhousing, and the cheapest, easiest way is to use a 400 clutch, as its a diaphragm, and will bolt right up to the 390 flywheel. I was able to use a 400 pilot bushing, but I have heard that not all cranks for 385 series engines will accept this without modifications. So check!!

You will need to check your input shaft and bearing retainer to assure that the lengths are compatible, but in my situation, a small block truck tranny went right into the 400 bell from a bronco.

As near as I can tell, The truck 400 bell WILL work in a car. I've only done some rough measurements underneath monstermach's 73 mustang.

As far as the starter goes, a 400 or 460 starter will work, I recommend the 460 starter, as the solenoid actuated bendix is less likely to fail then the mechanical style IMHO.


The biggest benefit of this combination is although you have to round up a variety of parts, it costs less than half of what the L&L kit will cost, and it uses stock ford parts, so you wont be callin L&L everytime you need a clutch. In my case, the cheap lifetime warrenty clutch from Autozone has held up fantasticly, and if I ever have it go out, its a free replacement.

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07-14-2004, 09:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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07-14-2004, 09:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
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That looks like a list of parts I can muster. The issue I'm worried about it the Z-bar. Would a Windsor Z-bar work or an FE Z-bar with a little trim (The FE is wider making the need for a little narrower Z-bar).

I know you could get Toploaders behind 429's as factory options, but I'm not sure about the linkage for the clutch on that. Not sure if they still used the same Z-bar/pedle push rod setup.

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07-14-2004, 02:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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For that Im not sure. I imagine if necesary, either one could be modified to fit. Before you pull it all apart, measure the distance between the mounts for the bar, and then remeasure it with the new setup in place, that'll tell ya a lot of what ya need to know.
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07-14-2004, 07:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I am just finishing a 1967 Ranchero with a 460 and top loader. If I can be any help let me know. Email me at garyclark@charter.net
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