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09-16-2004, 10:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
BLstangin
 
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Building a 400m

My buddy has a 78 ford f-150, that is 4x4 and rusty. He bought it for $500 for a beater, trail riding, play in the mud, screw around with truck. Well it has a 400m in it and it got the imfamous main knock. So I tore it down. Well I don't want this to happen again, we are going to put a crank kit in it and have it bored put badger pistons in it, cleveland heads, and it has a summit cam that I had put in it about a month ago, along with a edelbrock streetmaster intake. He never plans to rev it over 5,000 rpm, so will the multi-groove valves be alright for this? Also what oiling mods should I do, I'm running a hydro cam, so should I use any restrictors? ALso, I plan to run the external oil line from the front to the back. Anything else I should know before I put this beast back together? This is my first 335 series engine.
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09-16-2004, 10:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You won't need the external oil line. The 400's don't rev to 7000 (well.....most of 'em dont) and don't need to. Just a good RV/towing camshaft with around a 220 duration and .525" or thereabouts lift will get you a great running 400. Add a 650 carb or even a 750 if you want better top end HP and a good intake and you're well on the way to a 400 HP/450-500 lb-ft 400 Ford. Oh, get rid of the multi-groove valves & keepers. They're junk and will drop valves (that is, if the 2 piece valve doesn't lose its head while running) at even an idle speed. I can't count how many times I've seen broken valves on Clevelands (all stock valves).

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09-16-2004, 11:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This one shouldn't rev that high, but you never know what'll happen when a hill becomes a challenge, and you don't want to loose, or something breaks. So, the oil line won't hurt anything will it, just some added insurance? What would work good for that? would 3/8 steel line work o.k. Another friend runs a hydraulic hose on his cleveland.
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09-16-2004, 11:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you have to put on a line, don't make it any bigger than #6. IMHO, it's a waste of effort. Make sure that the clearances are correct and that the lifter bores do not have excessive clearance. That's where a Cleveland will bleed. Measure the pressure at the back of the block. If you run an HV pump, get a big baffled pan to make sure that the pump stays in oil. Deburr an HV pump, run a moly shaft with it and watch your distributor gear. At under 5000, I'd stick with a stock pump.

I don't use a line, have over 700 runs right now and the oil pressure hasn't changed at all. Actually, I have zero mods to the oiling system. Small block Mopar's have a way worse oiling system than any Ford and you almost never hear about people hacking the crap out of them.
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09-17-2004, 11:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hot Rod did a build up on a 400 a few years back that you might want to look at, here is a link http://www.geocities.com/styleline58/400.html The 351m-400 heads made after 1974 are almost identical to the Cleveland 2bbl heads except for a more restrictive exhaust port so if yours are in good shape you might consider keeping them.I got my Ferrea single groove valves from AD Performance for a pretty good price or there is a guy on ebay who sells them, but remember that single groove and multiple groove locks also use a different retainer so you have to change that as well.Another option is 351M motors made after about 1979 have single groove valves from the factory.
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09-17-2004, 01:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Will the stock multigroove valves be o.k. or should I have single groove ones?
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09-17-2004, 08:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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no more than single groove valves, keepers, and retainers cost, it'd be cheap insurance[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_tup.gif[/img]
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