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05-23-2008, 09:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: double your miles per gallon

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If you can get sweet fruit (apples, grapes, pears, plums,etc.) for free,
Problem is, how much 'free fruit' is available?? Not much! First, if there's a demand, it will have to be paid for, no longer given away. And even then there's only enough available for hobbyists and experimenters, not the general public. Just like used french fry oil for Diesels.
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05-24-2008, 07:00 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: double your miles per gallon

Back in college my apartment balcony faced the rear of a Piggly Wiggly. There were a couple of days a week when they would toss out produce and over the course of a few hours four or five cars would stop and someone would dumpster dive for produce.

Now if a person were truly committed to home brewing ethanol...

Fuel ethanol FAQ

This guy claims $1.20/gallon to make ethanol. That doesn't include the ~$400 to make the still, but if you're serious about it.
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05-24-2008, 09:30 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I believe there is a program where you can distill up to 10000 gallons a year without having to pay taxes or having to denature the alcohol you produce.

Let us know how you like prison food and bunking with "bubba"!

I think it's 100 gal of beer per year or 5 gal of hard stuff.

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05-25-2008, 12:24 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Let us know how you like prison food and bunking with "bubba"!

I think it's 100 gal of beer per year or 5 gal of hard stuff.

jb
John_bud,
Here is the law as it is with proposed changes not yet made, taken from the ATF site:

Subpart X—Distilled Spirits for Fuel Use Under the current regulations,
distilled spirits for fuel use is covered in subpart Y. In these proposed
regulations, this subject will be covered under a new subpart X. Proposed
subpart X will cover the requirements for establishing and operating a distilled
spirits plant that will produce, process, store, use, or distribute distilled spirits exclusively for fuel use.
DISCUS does not propose any changes to this subpart. However, TTB
proposes to make several changes to the regulations in subpart X. Similar to the changes made in other subparts, we have rearranged the information in
subpart X into a more logical order. Also, we combined some sections to
provide more clarity, added new sections, and renumbered the
regulations within this subpart. Definitions. We amended the
definitions that appear in the current regulations at § 19.911, Meaning of
terms, by deleting or replacing terms that no longer apply. We also deleted
several terms that are defined in the proposed regulations at § 19.1,
Definitions. The definitions for this subpart appear in the proposed
regulations at § 19.662.
Letterhead applications. In the proposed regulations, we now include
an allowance for letterhead applications and letterhead notices for changes
affecting permits.
Bonds. In the proposed regulations at §§ 19.699 and 19.700, we provide information that explains bonds and sureties in more detail. We also provide an improved explanation of how the amount of the bond must be computed.
Bonds for some small plants. The IRC, at 26 U.S.C. 5181(c)(3), provides that no bond is required for an ‘‘eligible distilled spirits plant’’ and that such plants may nonetheless receive shipments of spirits ‘‘in bond’’ under 26 U.S.C. 5212. An ‘‘eligible distilled spirits plant’’ is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5181(c)(4) as ‘‘a plant which is used to produce distilled spirits exclusively for fuel use and the production from which does not exceed 10,000 proof gallons per year.’’ This definition requires a plant to produce distilled spirits in order to be an ‘‘eligible distilled spirits plant.’’
Although the Bureau formerly interpreted 26 U.S.C. 5181(a)(1) to
require that all alcohol fuel plants must produce distilled spirits, this
interpretation has been amended, and the Bureau now holds that a person may establish an alcohol fuel plant solely for the receipt and processing of distilled spirits for fuel use. Nevertheless, such a plant does not meet the definition of ‘‘eligible distilled spirits plant’’ quoted above. Therefore, a plant that would only receive and process distilled spirits and has no production capability must have a bond, regardless of size in order to be eligible to receive spirits ‘‘in bond’’ under 26 U.S.C. 5212. The proposed regulations at §§ 19.673, 19.699, and 19.700 will now provide for the bonding of small alcohol fuel plants that do not produce distilled spirits for fuel use.


One must get a permit from the ATF to do so but you can do it without posting the bond.
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