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10-29-2009, 06:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
Lance
 
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Trouble adjusting valves on 302

I am having trouble with this engine. Heads are '66 289. block is '68 302.
Heads have been drilled & tapped for screw in studs, guide plates and stronger valves.(comp cams "thumper series" nothing big). No milling or porting done.
This is recently rebuild, never been run (been sitting on a Stand for about a year).
I have verified that I am at TDC on the Compression stroke. Dist. on #1.
Going by the book, I adjust #1 cylinder valves by turning nut down till I can't spin push rod then 3/4 turn more. after I get done with the rest of the procedure, the first valves are really sloppy again? I did the procedure 4 times!
Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
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10-29-2009, 07:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

YOU ARE WHAT???


You want to turn the nut down until you FEEL RESISTANCE (it's not a lot) on the pushrod, indicating that the pushrod is TOUCHING both the Plunger AND the Rocker.
That is the point that you begin your 3/4 turn from there!


DO NOT turn the nut until the rod STOPS, that is bottoming out your plunger and it not the way to do it.



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10-29-2009, 07:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

and -if its sloppy when you turn the engine to the next in fireing order--you were not on tdc for that valve =you were 180 degrees off--

turn nut down untill you cant pick the pushrod up or down -- just resistance to spin it -- then 3/4 turn more on the nut--
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10-29-2009, 07:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

Sorry, let me clarify.I am loosening up the adjuster nut till I get free play at the push rod.Then while spinning the pushrod, I turn the nut down just 'till I start to feel friction against the rocker, then I turn the adjuster nut 3/4 of a turn more.
I thought I Might be on the wrong stroke, so I went through the cycle and after I watch the intake valve start to close, I bring the piston back to TDC and with the valves both closed and the Dist. rotor at the #1 plug wire.I should be o.k.
To make sure. I turned the engine over to the next revolution and the exhaust valve started to open.
still don't know what i'm doing wrong.
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10-29-2009, 07:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

is your cam installed straight up--
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10-29-2009, 07:53 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

Here is a Detailed Cutaway Photograph in Blu-Ray High Definition that I found on the web showing you what the lifter does and why it's adjusted like it is.

Intake Valve fully closed, exhaust Valve beginning to open. {adj. Intake}

Exhaust valve fully closed intake valve Beginning to open. {adj. Exhaust}

First, see the multi angle cutaway below.

If you turn the nut down until the pushrod stops being able to be twisted, you can put a heavy bind on the spring (not pictured) and if you're tough enough, you can actually still twist it until the lifter is fully collapsed.
THIS IS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT.


The reason you only go 3/4 of a turn and NO FARTHER, is to prevent the bottoming out of the plunger thus loosing any cushion the oil gives you.

So, when adjusting your hydraulic lifters, you tighten the rocker nut until it TOUCHES the lifter plunger. From that point you only need to take it a few thousandths of an inch farther into the hole as it's then well within the area where the oil pressure will keep everything in specs. (unless the lifter looses it's integrity)

The ACTUAL amount of turn to give ANY hydraulic Rocker Nut all depends on the threads on the rocker stud. The twist rate is what determines the distance traveled into the plunger spring.

You only need a few thousandths of an inch travel into the plunger to be perfectly adjusted. All it does is REMOVE slack between the pushrod and the rocker, which in turn, removes slack between the rocker and the Valve stem, which in turn removes the TAPPING noise from the engine, which in turn.... Makes everyone happy

After some indeterminate # of miles, you will likely experience a little noise at startup or on cold mornings when the oil has drained back a little from loss of tolerances in the lifter bores etc... This is normal.

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10-29-2009, 08:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

This is how I adjust my rockers (hydro cams) I start on a cylinder. I turn the engine over until the exhaust valve begins to open. Then I adjust the intake valve. I turn the pushrod until I feel resistance. Then I turn the main nut (hex head) 1/2 a turn down. I then lightly seat the inner allen-locking screw. Then I turn the main adjusting hex nut back out the 1/2 a turn I just turned it (back to just resistance on the pushrod). Then with an allen wrench and my wrench on the adjusting nut I turn both their 1/2 turn at the same time bottoming out the allen screw just before the 1/2 turn is completed by the adjusting nut, better locking the adjusting nut. When you turn them together you get a better lock (no loose adjusting nuts). Then I roll the engine so the intake begins to close and repeat on the exhaust. Now do this 8 times and your engine is adjusted.
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10-29-2009, 10:34 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

Thanks for the help. Now that I know I've been doing it just the way you all have, I guess the next step is to take the front of the engine back apart and see if I got the timing marks off. Oh boy....I get to take it apart....again.
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10-29-2009, 10:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

as you rotate the engine to do the next valve lash-- you bleed down the rockers you just set.
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10-29-2009, 10:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Trouble adjusting valves on 302

even then they should not be loose--

he hasent started this engine yet -these no oil in the lifters--

befor id pull the timing cover id do some checking -- if the piston is at tdc and the valve is completly closed set the lash on that valve--

you dont turn the engine completly over to tdc on each valve -- you turn it 90 degrees and set the next valve in the fireing order--
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