\'05 Mustang Dyno #\'s w/ minor bolt-ons

I can appreciate anything that goes fast. Engines are engines.... they don't know what name is on the valve cover. Sure, I'm partial to Ford, but I won't dislike somebody just because he drives something else.

I'm concerned about the future. The Chevy camp has the LS1 to play with. We've got the MOD.

Chevy had the advantage from 1955 until the early 1990's since their engines came with MUCH better cylinder heads. Ford won round 2 since there was so much development for the FOX mustangs.... as these things were made by the millions, were cheap, and make EXCELLENT hotrods. I have the feeling the pendulum will swing back towards the chevy camp as the battle begins to move between the MOD and LS1.

It's just my observations. No drama or bias involved.

As for reinventing the wheel. Chevy has always had the small block and the big block. Both of these, along with 6-cyl all used the same engine mounts and bellhousing. It was EASY to swap from one to the other. When a special need arose, they would simply refine their existing design. During this same time period, Ford had the 221-302 small block, 351W, 351-400M, 331-428FE, 430-462 Lincoln, 429-460, 427SOHC, Boss 302, 429 Boss, 351C, etc.... with interchangability being insane. (a new and different engine for about every car out there)

When Ford needed something special to go racing with, they would not refine an existing product and make it better for the general public, they would just go off and invent something off the wall... like the 427 SOHC, BOSS 429, 427 Tunnel Port... generally engines that would see race only time in the hands of professional teams. They did nothing to benefit the powertrains available to the general public. The small block ford used pretty much the same crappy heads from 1961 until 1995... even though it started life as a 221, and grew to 351ci. Those heads may have been fine for a 221ci engine, but the 351W was a dog before aftermarket heads became widely available. If you wanted to go racing, you dealt with the 351C.
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I agree with n2o mike,chevy has it going on with there engines!For Ford to use a supercharger just LET'S the GM boys laugh at us for trying to compete with there all motor!![img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_tdown.gif[/img]
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FYI-

"Paul {Svinicki} took an '05, put on coilovers all around and lightweight brakes, did some suspension beefing, put on underdrive pulleys, cold air intake, manifold back exhaust (no cats, x-pipe, aftermarket mufflers), and he put in a shorter throw shifter and chucked the back seat and passenger seat. They also had to do some tuning on the computer and they got the car to run a 12.31@112 mph. Not bad for the engine being bone-stock"


3450 curb weight w/out driver before the mods. 281ci. Those are LS1 times. 346ci.

Seems to me I saw a $6000 price tag on that 12.31 run. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Link to a dyno on bone stock 2200 mile '05 GT:

http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...threadid=45650
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Don't get me wrong, I love ford, and would never have a slomaro. But I have a friend who has a 95 auto, lt1 that put a mild cam and headers on it. He ran a 7.95 in 1/8, and sounds sick. He has electric cutouts on the headers. He is about to ad some AFR Heads to it. I wish you could just change the cam on a ford engine and put down close to 400hp. Chevy just has a way better head design. (end of discussion)

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And the extra cubes to take advantage of those heads.
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I gotta agree with Mike on this one... The only positive thing I've really seen on the MODs is in a recent issue of MM&amp;FF, they put some serious boost to a Cobra crate 4.6 and cranked out about 1000hp and the engine held together... they're definitely tough, any stock 5.0 bottom end would have decorated the dyno room floor at that power level. But the fact that the MOD takes up more room than a 460, yet smaller displacement than a 302, and has too long of stroke to take advantage of the RPM capability of an OHC... I dunno, the MODs just don't have anything that appeals to me. The LS1 is an awesome performer... brand new vettes making 400hp naturally aspirated and still getting close to 30mpg on the highway, from an engine that is much much smaller than a MOD. I love Fords, and I'm not interested in every owning anything from the bowtie camp... I just hope the 5.0 continues as a viable hotrod engine until Ford comes up with something a little less bulky and costly than the MOD engines.
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I just hope the 5.0 continues as a viable hotrod engine until Ford comes up with something a little less bulky and costly than the MOD engines.
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Not likely, unless you want to drive an electric motor...the supposed wave of the future... BUT, I guarantee you electric motors WILL pass up gas powered ones in both HP and torque within the next 25 years. I think that'd be cool, to be propelled down the track absolutely silently and manage a 12 second 1/4 mile run. Talk about a sleeper.

As for the engines, all I can say is wait and see...

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I'm sorry, but coming from an electrical engineering background, and with my college competing actively in electric vehicle competitions, I can tell you it will be a VERY long time before you can get the power to weight ratio from an electric motor and storage system that you can from a gasoline engine. Energy storage (eg. batteries) alone weigh well over what a typical V8 weighs... throw in a 300lb electric motor that is lucky to produce 100hp... I just don't see it happening anytime soon. It'll be a long time before you can get even 400hp out of a sub-1000lb electric motor and battery configuration.
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