\'05 Mustang Dyno #\'s w/ minor bolt-ons

boy thats right! thats what them KIA's are made out of.....old GM's!! lol[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

all i have to say is LS1 engines have crap valvetrains. i have quite a few friends that are running away from them. one guy i know has been 3 engines in the last 2 years. (this is not uncommon stuff) from what i've seen mod engines are alot more reliable. oh and the needing a blower to beat them? not really! but if your gonna beat them, STOMP THEM INTO THE GROUND!!! only reason chevy guys laugh about having a blower is because its the only thing they can do when your cobra makes over 500rwhp with a catback,TB, yada yada and they are just touching 400 for the same price. FORD[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_bow.gif[/img]

Another 12 second combo-

SCT tune, QA1 rear shocks, Steeda Underdrive pullies, MT ET streets, Magnaflow mufflers, 4.30 gears-

12.45 at 107.

All else stock, including the front wheels and tires.


I say the new 3 valve SOHC 4.6 kicks ass once you get past the safety tuning of the drive-by-wire throttle.
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I agree totally Jim.

The Mustang stands alone!(Literally)

And this bad boy stamps it stone.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/phpBB/view...1&forum=18
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Okay, after reading ALL the replies, here's my 2 cents worth.
We all started, (well, most of us), rebuilding/souping up/racing V8s. Basic 289s, 302s, 351ws, (and then those darn big block ford guys).
Some of us, (*like me), also built/raced MANY chebbie engines.

You needed basic hand tools. You could do these in your garage (or your basement, or wherever handy).

With the mod motors, you need LOTS of training. You need LOTS of special tools. There are not alot of speed parts for them, besides the basic run of the mill, 'been there, done that', works on this motor, should work on that motor', scenario's.

I would never contemplate ever purchasing a mod motor (other than what's in the truck), to soup up/race.

It will be many a year before 'they' (the mod motors), gain any kind of real love/hate relationship with the hot rodding world.

And like most of the ner'sayers said. Those parts do NOT interchange from motor to motor. Ford has so many friggin' different combinations, you need THE part, with THE part number off of it just to replace stock/OEM crap, let alone going aftermarket, and modifying stuff.

I congratulate ford for making such a 'stock' high (well, decent), hp/tq motor. I've driven them. Never beat on them, but have driven all the different years of mustangs. (helps to work in a ford dealership, duh). [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
BUT again, I could never see getting one and 'moddin' it out.
I TOO will stick with the plain old, same old V8s of yesteryear.

There, I'll get off my soap box. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_spin.gif[/img]
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Steve

Dont worry man....by the time we run out of 302.351W.460 blocks you and me will be nursing home material....lol [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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No doubt................but then the 'kids' will be asking silly questions about.........."How do you get the cam's in time..........how do you get the front cover off............how do you get the mains out of this thing?........................."[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Haha im still so new to the engine building world. I started getting into hot rods when I was about 16/17 (little less than 3 years ago). All i gotta say is that pushrod engines are BEAUTIFUL. I got my first mustang(5.0) in August of 2002 for about 1200 bucks. The engine died on me after about 4 months of use(It had 150,000 miles on it). So I started reading and reading as much as i could and decided to just do my own swap in my driveway.After the car sat for a year and a half, I oppted to go with a 351w (79 stock engine with 10,000 miles on the rebuild for only 500 bucks)and its safe to say that I am very pleased. The extra 49ci makes a HUGE difference. Now im waiting for the weather to get better so i can throw in my new TFS high port heads and a nice .512 lift cam. Now im not sure about you guys but I think that if i had gotten a new MOD mustang, I would never be able to enjoy my car the way im enjoying it now. I mean seriously, i JUST started doing this stuff last summer and now im putting in a new cam and heads by myself. Gotta love the simplicity of it alll...

Im pretty upset that ford didnt stick with pushrods. I personally think my home grown 351w will stomp on any stock LS1 engine, its kind of embrassing watching the newer stangs get owned by older cammaros... I am by far a FORD lover and want to see STOCK mustangs at LEAST keeping up.

Oh and by the way how much HP/TQ do you think my new set up will push... .510,.512 lift hydraulic flat tappet cam, 9:1 compression EFI with GT-40 lower and Downs Box upper, underdrive pullies, cold air intake, off road H-pipe, TFS ported heads that flow around 290cfm intake and 215 exhaust. (TELL ME THAT WONT STOMP ON A CAMMARO)

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Well here is my take on the whole thing.

The modular engines are the greates engines that ford has ever built. The blocks are rock solid - good to well over 1000 hp. Many come with forged cranks good to the same amount. sure some engines have crappy rods and pistons but that has plagued ford for many years. Also the parts interchangability of the modular motors is great! Basically you can put whatever heads on whatever block you wish and it will work. That is why they are called "modular" These engines are silky smooth from the factory and make great power - with only gears you can run around ls1's all day - even with the p.i. 2 valves. Plus the new Cobra engines are the greatest engine ford has ever built! over 400 hp from the factory with only boltons away from 500! Amazing! try that with you old 5.0. Heck try that with an ls1 and its guts will be all over the ground! If you put a blower on an ls1 it is a nightmare! the high comp. ratio makes these cars a ticking time bomb! plus fragile rear ends and it is not a good situation.

Anyways, that is my rant for the day.

the mod motor has its place, but as far as putting whatever head on whatever block, it doesnt mater, because if it is not a 4v head its not really going to make a lot of power. Also what good ia a block that can hold "1000hp" if you can snap a rod by thinking about it too long.. One of the worse things about the mod motor cars vs. the 5.0L cars is that you had cheap mods you could do to get power, even cam swaps are not bad. Call around and get prices for doing mod motor cam or head swaps. The only thing you can really do on these cars is a SC or N2O.. These engines need more displacement.. The '05 is a move in the right direction and looks like it migh have some performce to come in pretty easy, unlike the 96-04 cars.. Ford let the LS engine GM cars really laugh in their faces. I havent seen any gear only 2v Mustangs in the 12's. I guess the bottom line is that there are pros and cons to both, old and new and I have been impressed with some of the power output of cars we have had in our shop with mod motors, but I think the older engines are a better performance choice..
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