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10-19-2002, 11:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
ScreaminC
 
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Hi all. New to the forum. Bracket racing a '69 with a 'cleve.

http://www.geocities.com/wevie0037

Nice to finally find a place where the '67-9 birds are popular! I've been looking at the 460 swap. I see some have done it here. I'm not planning on it right now, although I've got a couple laying around. If I were to take that course, is there anything one should be aware of?

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10-20-2002, 12:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Howdy! I have not done the 460 swap, but have considered it. The one thing I would do is to cut the shock tower back for some header/plug clearance. The other problem I see is clearance from the water pump to the radiator. You'll probably have to remake the core support to use a 2 core alum. radiator sunk into it. I've seen a few, some swaps nice, some are really butchered. BUT - remember that the 460 weighs 700+ lbs and the C only around 550. I'd rather run a 393C and not have to worry about all the other hacks and cuts to fit the big block. My ideal motor for my 67 would be that - a 393 C with 3V heads.
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10-20-2002, 12:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Um, you've lost me now. What is involved in a 393 stroker? Did you really mean 3V heads?
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10-20-2002, 10:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Wellcome to the board. I like your 69 with a c. There are a lot of little problems with a big block in a small engine bay and cooling is one of them. I think the stroker c would run real good. Right now with the mph you have you should be knocking on the 11's. Needs a bigger carb and 456 gears and a least another 1000 on the torque converter. Get away from the hyd cam also.
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10-20-2002, 12:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You may want to take a look at David Kee's 429 powered '69 Falcon.

http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/project429falcon.htm

http://66.96.130.106/archives/2002/0...ct/index.shtml

I believe he used the Crites kit for almost everything (motor mounts, transmission mount, radiator, headers, etc). http://www.critesrestoration.com/
However, he later switched the Crites headers for a set of FPA's. The Crites headers have a 2" primary tube diameter, whereas the FPA's are 1 7/8". The Crites are individual tubes that you have to put together, while the FPA's are one piece.

http://www.fordpowertrain.com

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/460__stage_3.htm

Here is some more details on his car.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1010275541
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10-20-2002, 02:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nice car ScreaminC. I've got a 68 wagon been thinking about an engine swap. I've got a mildly built 302 in it now. I was thinking of building a 400m for it. Whats it take to make this motor fit in my Falcon? I've got a nice running 68 429 &amp; c6 but I really don't want to go that route. Jim
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10-20-2002, 03:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I had a 302 in it at first. Just something to move it around the shop and yard. When I dropped in the Cleve, I took the mounts off the 302, bolted to the Cleve and dropped it in!!

Exhaust manifolds worked just fine till I bought the headers. The headers I'm running are Hooker (not super comps) for 351C-4V in Fairlane. I expected some modifications, but the dropped right in. Didn't even need to lift the motor. The idler arm and steering box arm interfere on very sharp turns. I had to cut an unused ear off of the bellhousing of the C4.

I also went with a electric fan and water pump to save the hassle of scrounging up non power steering cleveland pulleys and brackets.

The torker with a K&amp;N filter and Holley carb fit under the stock hood. With a 2" spacer, I have to remove the air cleaner.

Since the pics on the website were taken, I've swapped to tall chrome valve covers. No problem with fit. I've also swapped to 26x11.5x15 Hoosier Quick Time Pro's. Shackles in rear. No fit problems.

One thing is that between the header primary tube and the shock tower, I CAN slip a piece of paper. That's about it. (that's when I run the torque plates in the heads).

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10-20-2002, 08:29 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Great homepage and real nice Falcon!

It's good to meet you my friend!

Welcome!

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10-21-2002, 01:35 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Great to see another cleveland-powered '69 Falcon!! Your combo sounds close to mine, my best time so far has been a 12.68/107, with a 1.86/60'. She's solid in the 12's, can run 12.80's all day.But like Coolfalcon says, I'm going with a 4500 converter next year (3500 now), and quite possibly 4.56 gears (4.11 now). Gunning for the 11's. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

How did you like the exhaust port plates? What's your header tube dia? I'm running 1-7/8" headers from Tubular Automotive, had to "massage" them slightly to fit.

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10-21-2002, 03:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Mine had a 302 at first also. Seems like the normal path of evolution: 289, 302, 351C, 460, 514, 557, 600+,...etc.

A 393C is a 3.85 stroke Scat crank with a 5.995 (or 6.0) rod and a custom piston in a .030 overbore. One source is here: http://www.flatlanderracing.com/

The 3V head is an aluminium 351C head from our friends in the Outback (not the eatery).
http://www.pavtek.com.au/pp_3vheads.html

I run Tubular headers which fit good, but I did take a one inch piece out of #3 tube to give additional firewall clearance.

Nice setup you've got. Sounds like a real runner too!

On the pulley item, I run regular 6 rib serpentine pulleys from a late 80's Mustang - just WP and crank, and an "large" (like 2.18&quot[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] alternator pulley and alternator likely from an Aerostar. (not sure - just found what I wanted in the alternator pile at the yard). The belt requires re-tighening a few times because the WP pully has no grooves, but it'll stick for normal (like we do that) driving. The only mod was to re-drill the WP pulley bolt holes to the C pattern. I run an 18" engine fan, but will switch to an electric when I go to an aluminium radiator.

400's - jrk, FWIW, these are just big 351C's. It only weights 25~50 lbs more than the C. I have a 400 short block in the garage and have considered the swap. Your problems will be in shock tower interference, intake sealing and the trans. The 400 moves everything about 7/8" up and out from a 351C location. I can't relate that for you to a 302, but it's much bigger - 2" or more. I run Tubular Automotive headers and the 400 would put them close against the floor boards. This gives more clearance from the draglink and idler arm, but can set your carpet on fire if the headers are not coated and you don't make a heat shield. There would be some trimming on the frametail-to-trans mount on the pass. side, even with 2V 1 3/4" pipes. You would have a nicer time with the plugs and headers by cutting an inch or so our of each shock tower and re-bracing. Weiand sells intake adapters to adapt 351C intakes to a 400. The problem is that this creates 4 sealing surfaces to deal with. I think motor mounts are unique to the 400, but you can use (I think I remember this right) Elite mounts, which have ears like the bottom of the 302 mounts. They are a bit wider apart, so you would need to fab a small spacer but they should set down very close to your V8 frame brackets. A better method would be to lotate where the ears meet the stock frame mounts and weld in a steel tube to handle the thru-bolt. You will also need a big block to C4 adapter bellhousing or switch to a C6 trans. I'd go to some wrecking yards and see if you can find a 351M/400 block in the scrap pile to use for dummying things up.

This is why a 393 stroker sounds so much better to me - more cubes in the same (existing) package.
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