Turbo'ed 65 Custom

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On 2005-05-26 07:55, OnCRacing wrote:
The 275/50 drag radials will work fine on 8" rims.

With the gearing in the 4R70W and a turbo windsor I would stick with 3.50 or even 3.27 gears in the rear. Turbo's like load to build boost and you don't have to spin the motor to the moon to make great power. Plus the 26" tall tire isn't helping. Look into getting some M/T drag radials, they are light years ahead of BFG's.

As an example we are building a twin 67mm turbo, 408W, glide combo for a customer. It runs 325/50/15 Drag Radials (28" tall) and will use a 3.27 gear.

What are you going to use for electronics? If your planning on running the tranny with a Baumannator and have any questions about setting it up let me know.

Curtis
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Starting a new thread from XXXXXX didn't want to hijack that thread...

The car currently has a ~30K mile rebuilt 352 - decent build but cast pistons etc... We (as teenagers) did a bit of prep work before having it built - took the casting flash off of the rods, deburred much of the block, etc before having it machined, balanced and assembled by a good shop... It's got the factory cruise-o-matic in it now which I expect will be the first thing to give up the ghost (although gears will help). The car also has a Top Gun N20 Plate system in it that I will use until the conversion.

Just like everything else I will always want to go bigger (twin 67's on a 408 sounds good but right now is a bit out of budget if I were going to do it right)... For now - I have the parts that I was using to put the mustang together.... I had planned on going 3.27 gears in the mustang but given the extra weight, the weak tranny, and an unknown timeline for getting the thing up on boost I think that I will go a bit steeper at first - I can always gear down (or up - numerically lower) when I actually get the turbo in... So I am guessing that this will be a staged process...

First - play with it as it is...
Second - when the tranny breaks - put in the stuff that I was assembling for the mustang (assuming that this happens before I can get a bigger inch motor built):

*Dead stock HO 5.0 ('91 forged) Mass Air - Harness Computer etc...
*60-1
*Pro-M 4"
*Tweecer RT
*Flipped shorties (still fabbing the hot side - it is nice to have more room to work in that engine bay)
*A/A FMIC
*255l/hr inline pumm
*42Lb/Hr injectors

I don't currently have a tranny (the mustang was a 5-speed) and looking at the good Bauman or Lentech stuff I think I am going to end up with a JY 4R70W for the moment and then start looking for a good valve body...

Third - Start building a big inch windsor with good (not totally priemium) stuff - dart block - 4340 rotating assy - good heads and twins - T-70s?... This starts as soon as I get the car running if it proves a bit reliable and if it breaks immediatly - after I get the 5.0 in and going...

I'll be in touch as I get there... Any advice appreciated...


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: 65Custom on 5/26/05 10:59pm ]</font>

Don't know if you're going to like this answer, but, somehow a small block in a big car don't seem right. I see lots of guys have 'em, but
if the money is the same, the results are better with the bigger motor.

For the money it would cost to do the SBF's,( dart blocks, 4340 recip assy, etc, etc,) you can stab in a Ford SVO 514 crate motor that will take the -W's head off up to the point where the belts come off the tires.

The power would be comparable. The driveline mods would be similar ... a fresh C-6 would be fine, if a little heavy; a wikkidly built AOD lighter but would require adapters and more fussing around. You already have the 9", and buried somewhere on the site is a good late model 12" disc brake conversion for early cars using boneyard parts. Done.

Slap on some cop wheels and dog dish caps, leave it stock as Iraq on the outside, shoot, keep the spindly column shifter even, and then go tear up some LS Camaros.

Free advice and worth every penny,

Good Luck!!!

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The reason I brought up the Baumannator was that the 4R70W is a computer controlled tranny. You could possibly use a computer and wiring from an auto 94-95 Mustang.

The other option is to use one of PA's full manual valve bodies. Then it's just some switches to turn on/off OD, Lock/Unlock the Convertor. Plus they have a transbrake.[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]

The 4R70W has been in the 9's in the 1/4 with nothing more than a convertor and Baumann shift kit.

Curtis

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Holset HX-35 &amp; HX-40 Turbos would work excellent on there. Cheaper than spending the big $ for the custom T3/T4 stuff. You could also use the TE06H Mitsubishi turbos that Banks uses on their Sidewinder kits. Nice units with internal wastegates, ect. Either of these could be found in wrecking yards. The Holsets are standard on the Cummins diesels &amp; the Banks units are common on earlier Ford &amp; Chevy diesels.

For a small block you could always use the standard .60/.63 Garretts off SVO stangs, turbocoupes, ect. Or even better if you could find a pair that have been pulled off of Grand Nationals. Those would even work on a mild big block if you weren't gonna spin it to high.
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sounds exactly like what i'm doing to my 64.
got the stock 5.0 in it almost wired up. when it's running i'll put on a 62-1 or similar, 42's, tweeker, etc..
i went 11.5 on a bone stock motor in my mustang so i figure this should run low 12's anyway.
i'm lucky i had a lentech AOD sitting around doing nothing.
that cost me $2500 a few years ago when it was in the mustang, other than that so far i have less than a grand in the car.

sorry, but everyone puts a big block in their car, it's just too normal.
maybe i'm just new skewl, but i love busting out the laptop to tune instead of the screwdriver.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. There's just something about some vintage iron with modern electronics.

Curtis

Big block? Normal? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] Somebody go tell Cook all he's just got is a "normal" big block 9 second 3800 lb normally aspirated car...To each his own, I s'pose. If ya wanna spend all yer coin on circuit boards and down tubes, go for it. Sorry, guys, I guess my old school is bleeding through tonight.[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Spent a lot of time in the principal's office ...

IN THA OLD SKOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can still smell those old FE engines, for some reason, different than the others. Prolly cos of the oil leaks and those crappy old used up Holleys that always leaked at the bowl screws and throttle shafts, [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

There are four major reasons that I gave up the mustang for this car....

1) It's different - drive around phoenix and you see a fox mustang every 3 minutes... You might see a '60s ford muscle car evey few days...

2) It's early enough that I don't have to go through emmissions to register it... I was really going to have to compromise to ahve a street legal race car... With this I can do what I want - pay my anual fee and drive it wherever I want.

3) Nostalgia - I grew up curising Phoenix with my buddy in this car

4) Space - plenty of room in the engine bay (particularly without all the emmisions stuff) to do whatever I want...

So... almost anything that I put in there will be unique - turbo'd small block w/mass air EFI - different, Turbo'd big block? Same... I don't argue with the guy that suggests the 514 but I can't count on all my hands and toes the guys that I know that have ~500HP turbo'd 5.0l based motors that idle at 800 RPM, get 20Mpg, run all day long on pump gas, and kill 99% of what they see on the street. This can be done for less than $5K with a bit of home fabrication... For 3 times that you can have a ~410" Windsor that makes 1200HP, idles at 900 RPM, etc.... Love turbo cars - and they are different...

Frankly - I would love to do a turbo'd FE (and I am not sure that I won't) but everything that I have read so far tells me that it is not in the budgetary cards for me... I can get a forged 4340 rotating assembly with very decent pistons for what ~$1500? When I look at an aftermarket forged 4340 rotating kit for a 428FE I find none and I get to piece it together from Crower, Oliver and the like.... Oliver crank? Cool stuff but $2500 bucks for the crank alone...

So - I'm going to drive the FE until it breaks – then, unless I have won the lottery – go Turbo’d something… Time and money will set what gets put in later but I am guessing that it will fall into the sweet spot where I can get the best parts for the best dollar and unless I get really lucky and find a great deal on an old iron big block full of stout parts this will probably be a stroker 351 of some sort… Twin turbo’d anything in this car will be pretty different and unless I really hose something up I can get at least 514 crate HP out of about the cheapest alternative. But who knows - by the time I get ready to do big inch big boost motors I may have won the lottery and will get to build a 600" with twin 88's [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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On 2005-05-26 20:59, fxcomet wrote:
Big block? Normal? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img][img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] Somebody go tell Cook all he's just got is a "normal" big block 9 second 3800 lb normally aspirated car...To each his own, I s'pose. If ya wanna spend all yer coin on circuit boards and down tubes, go for it. Sorry, guys, I guess my old school is bleeding through tonight.[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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If I had ever been able to tune those wretched Holley carbs I might be more sympathetic... [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Blow through?[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

By the way - the car in your sig is VERY cool in my book - different, well done and (hopefully) very capable of defending itself on at the track... Like it a lot...[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_bow.gif[/img]