1964 R-code 1173 miles

Originally Posted by JCAllison

Hey Mr. DH,
I'm deducting 38 points from its 100 points because it's obviously NOT a complete car!

There is a part missing!

Look at the JPG of the Rear Axle.

Right below the Right frame rail there is a hole in the top of the axle housing that is supposed to have a hose in it that connects to the frame above it to vent the Differential.

It's NOT there!

Also, look at the first JPG (side view). It looks a little SWAY BACKED. I thought it might be just camera parallax but the same SWAY BACK look is evident on other JPGs as well.

Still, that IS a nice looking Gal, BUT for 100 grand, I can think of a lot of other things that I could use instead of an "ordinary" old "R" Code. I mean, how many of them were built?

Remember, "rare" doesn't always mean "valuable", and an "R" Code car isn't all that "rare". In other words, it's an ordinary car in rare condition. And hell, it only has TWO doors!

Hope you are well.

JC

You are an observant one! I didn't notice i was just looking at the 2 dif looking exhaust pipes. Or appears that way. Half one metal half another.

By sway back do you mean the fat man/lady sag on the driver side? If that's what you mean, I haven't decided if it is or isn't there yet. I did look at it trying to decide earlier though.

A perty car but I still think too much money I'm cheap, almost as bad as FE.

Deb

Originally Posted by Death Touch

2 weeks ago this same guy had a 1963 "G" code convertible for sale on e-bay. He was asking $85,000. Not sure if it sold or not. I think it was the same color as the '64.

I always wonder when i see these cars if they actually sold or not. I mean maybe it sold on ebay but did it really sell or did whoever back out etc.

the rear end breather tube is there-- its on the left side of the brake line splitter-- but i think the hose has been rerouted- to the out side frame rail and not in its original place on the cross member--

it might have been an old race car like the guy says and not have many miles on it -- but its not really an original condistion car-- its more a show restiration -- those cars never had the underside painted body color -

Originally Posted by deadhorse

the rear end breather tube is there-- its on the left side of the brake line splitter-- but i think the hose has been rerouted- to the out side frame rail and not in its original place on the cross member--

Hey Mr. DH,
I see what you are talking about. And if that IS the Rear End Breather Tube, then either that is not the stock rear axle, or Ford was not consistent and had more than one place to put the breather tube. The one on the 3.14, and there was mention in another thread today that the REBT is on the Passenger Side, AND it goes into the bottom of the frame rail box.

it might have been an old race car like the guy says and not have many miles on it -- but its not really an original condistion car-- its more a show restiration -- those cars never had the underside painted body color -

I have to agree with you on this. It looks VERY massaged. Much like the AMC Javelin that is here in Onalaska at Stanley Roberts' Restoration Facility. MR.DH, I have NEVER seen any car that looked as "crisp" as THAT Javelin. It was like it was "super-real"! I mean it "popped-out" at you. I stood there and looked at it, "lost in the moment" for I don't know how long, and then it dawned on me what was causing the effect.

You know how body sheetmetal, even at what is a "sharp" bend that goes from being like the top of the fender, to being the side of the fender still has an ever-so-slight radius? Well, this one was NOT like that. It was "SHARP" like a "facet" on a gemstone".

I can only surmise that he had brazed a bead of metal on each bend of the sheet metal and then filed it till it was "faceted".

It had a "remarkable" effect .

I'll bet that you could place another identical (but un-faceted) Javelin next to this one, and everyone would "know" that one looked "crisper" than the other, but the casual observer wouldn't be able to tell why.

Still, that is NOT restoration. That is customizing. And replacing OLD parts with NEW parts is NOT restoration either. That's rebuilding. Am I becoming to much of a "purist" do you think?

Hope you are well.

JC

8 and 3/4 rear -- vent is on drivers side -- - btw -- some vents were real close to the punkin--some were more toward the wheel-- and didnt have a hose -- they had a little cap that looked like a hat-

Originally Posted by FEandGoingBroke

That's the most stupid auction I've ever seen...

Why in the hell does a car with 1,100 miles on it NEED a restoration?????

The answer is simple, it's because it is NOT a car with 1,100 miles...

WHere are the photo's of this mysterious documentation....

:BS:

I'm with him on this, why the hell do you restore a car with miles that low? then install a cheap tach and wrong shifter? For me, "if" that car had 1,100 miles on it, it was worth more if they'd left it alone. Thats just me. Seen a auction once that had a 69-70 Mustang, don't remember which year but it was claimed to have 54 miles on it, and guess what, they had to restore the car....WTH?

Originally Posted by deadhorse

8 and 3/4 rear -- vent is on drivers side -- - btw -- some vents were real close to the punkin--some were more toward the wheel-- and didnt have a hose -- they had a little cap that looked like a hat-

Only this would have to be a 9" but I haven't seen that many dif rears to know how variable they were on the vent locations. Who knows with Ford sometimes also.

I still thinks its an assload of crap...

The car's nice but the listing is chock full of BS.

Thanks for all the comments, everyone. I saw a few quibbles myself, mostly about the motor. Such as:
1) where is the air heat tube from the left exhaust manifold to the automatic choke? If the carbs have been tuned or rebuilt or otherwise altered such that they don't need the heat, so be it. But shouldn't a car of "museum" quality be accurate in a detail like that?

2) This is a very niggly point, but where is the period air filter element? Low-riser 427s of this vintage came with a 2.5" tall filter that is very hard to find these days. The filter in this car is an S&B- or K&N-style filter, one of the those modern oil it-lasts-forever filters. Maybe I should shut up, because our own R-code has almost exactly the same filter as this eBayer (I just could not find a NOS filter to match the original, so i got a 2.25" tall S&B). But don't you think if you ask a hundred Gs for a museum piece, that you ought to take the time to find the right and original period filter? Here is a picture from the 2008 Cincinnati Concours d'Elegance of a brilliant 1963-1/2 Lightweight restored by Red Zone Motorsports near Dayton, Ohio, showing the correct old-stock tall filter (and the heat tube to the choke).


When I go to these Concours shows, and see all these flawless restorations, the cars that really stick out to me (other than, well, really incredible old cars!) are the ones that are not restored to a fare thee well. After a while, another super-duper paint job and better-than-factory car looks like so much plastic surgery. It's not real the way an old car should be. Where's the so-called patina, the smell, the experience of a vintage car? You can't buy or restore that experience, for any amount of money. This guy claims the car has a story. It must be a sad one to have caused someone to restore at less than 1200 miles. In a sense--and WUWU20 and others have commented on this--a restoration at such low miles totally destroys the uniqueness, the specialness of the low miles. When you restore a car like this "to the highest level", does it matter whether the mileage was 1173 or 117,300? The end result is the same.

FE said:

1,173 miles (minus the 50 after the resto) comes out to ropughly 140 Passes at the track

Who would race a 1/4 mile a hundred times or more with a stock 3.50 rear end? You'd get creamed by hot cars with lower gearing. Any racing with that gearing should have been at high speeds turning left.

The retard told me it was raced it's whole life therefore the low miles.... LMFAO