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08-31-2008, 11:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

Anybody know of spindles that provide a 1 to 2 inch drop for front of 69? I can find one website that shows a kit to convert from drums to dics that is supposed to have drop spindles but they are not interested in selling spindles only. Thanks
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08-31-2008, 11:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

I don't know of any but sure would like a set if someone makes them.
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09-01-2008, 09:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

I would like to know as well about the drop spindles for my 69 galaxie
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09-02-2008, 08:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

I posted this info on the the thread "drop spindles for a 65??" same info will apply

"All the galaxie spindles are basically the same so yes spindles for a 65 would fit a 69. There are some minor differences like drum and disc and tie rod hole depth but they all basically function the same. I have seen several different kits that were "drop spindles for a Galaxie" ALL of them were Granada spindles and that is not a swap I would do. The geometry is way off, people do it, and say it works, but being some one fairly
versed in suspension geometry (especially Mustang suspension which is what the granada is based on) I would not even consider it. The granada swap even shows up on eBay and is called call the "drop spindles disc brakes for galaxies" Problem is the Granada spindles were designed for a totally different system (as I said before same system as the Mustang and Falcon) and steering geometry of Granada parts is way off for a Galaxie which will mess with Ackerman angle, camber curve and cause bump steer, sooooo I would not go Granada."
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09-02-2008, 10:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

DAZE....What would you suggest using for drop spindles then for the galaxies ? I have a 68 that im having a helluva time lowering and keeping the geometery correct.
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09-02-2008, 04:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

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Anybody know of spindles that provide a 1 to 2 inch drop for front of 69? I can find one website that shows a kit to convert from drums to dics that is supposed to have drop spindles but they are not interested in selling spindles only. Thanks
Just thought I would throw this out to you...

I have a set of custom wound springs for the '69 that lower it 2-2.5 inches.

If you do a search for my posts, you will see pictures of my car. Let me know if you are interested in them.
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09-02-2008, 04:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Just thought I would throw this out to you...
I have a set of custom wound springs for the '69 that lower it 2-2.5 inches.
If you do a search for my posts, you will see pictures of my car. Let me know if you are interested in them.
That is the only way I would do it is by changing spring height. The only issue changing spring height may cause is starting point for the caber curve. Which can affect handling during aggressive suspension position changes such as hard cornering.
For those that don't understand camber curve, as suspension travels the spindle moves in an an arc created by the arcs of the UCA and LCA. As these arcs change the camber of the front tires changes. If the tires lean top in during suspension travel the camber curve is negative, if the tires lean out it is positive. No change would equals a static curve, but all suspension have at least a small amout of change. For the purpose of handling negative camber makes for better tire to road contact, but has the negative effect of causing tires to where out. so idealy as a performance driven car you would want a camber curve that is near static or slightly negative.
Spring height does not change the camber curve, it is a constant definded by the arc of the UCA and LCA, but it does affect where on the curve the suspension starts. With this in mind the tire start out at stock ride setting, in other words what the car is aligned to. Due to the camber curve camber changes as the suspension travels. sense it is an arc changes become more savear as the control arms reach there upper and lower maxes. With this in mind most manufactures design the center of the camber curve arc to be at normal ride height. I tell you all this because, by changing spring height you change the normal ride height and thus you change where on the camber curve the stock alignment setting are placed so more change from the stock setting in camber happens with less suspension travel acording to the designed camber curve.
To make matters worse with an unexperienced driver and a high torque car extra caster can aggrovate existing oversteer in a car which all rear wheel cars have to some degree.

Excerpt from a web page I am writing on suspension fundementials
"Oversteer is defined as the situation when the rear wheels do not fallow directly behind the front wheels when turning and slide out toward the outside of the turn. The danger of oversteer is that it can throw the car into a spin. The seseptiability of a car to oversteer is affected by several things such as traction between the tires and the road, aerodynamics suspension, and or driver control. Oversteer is easier to induce in Rear wheel drive cars by applying power in a tight corner. This happens because the rear tires must handle both the lateral cornering force and engine torque and by braken the tire loose with torque you will automaticly loose traction latterly. Oversteer relates more to the back tires than the front however things like improveng front traction can exzagerate existing oversteer."

With this in mind car manufactures of the 60s tended to make a nutral to positive camber curve. soooooo, and here I finally come to my point if the camber curve of a Galaxie is as I am guessing positive (I have not actualy checked but most 60s era cars were...the camber curve was positive in the Mustang for heavens sake) than by running shorter springs you will be starting at a more aggressive position on camber curve resulting in more positive caster and less front wheel traction in other words reduced handling.

If by some miracle the curve was negative from Ford you will get better handling by running shorter springs. All that said A small change in ride height will not adversely change things but keep all this in mind the more drastic the change the more it will affect things.
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09-07-2008, 07:22 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: drop spindles for 69 Galaxie?

Dazecars

Your comments about camber curve are good. There are just a couple of additional items that are in the equation. I am by no means an expert but would like to offer the following.

I have not measured the travel arc on the 69. I do not know how the curve plots out. With that being said, a couple of assumptions/theories can be reviewed. Some details are left out in the interest of not posting a ten page read.

Assumptions for the following. Shorter springs with an incresed rate of compression (600lbs vs. factory 320lbs). Full arc of travel will be reduced due to shorter springs. Rate (speed) of suspension compression can be reduced due to increased spring rates. Desired static camber can be set.

1. Suspension travels through its range of motion and maintains no change in camber (unlikely): A reset of the static ride height (lowering in this case) AND resetting the camber to a desired angle/degree, could improve tire contact during suspension compression. With the travel of suspension reduced and spring rate increased, this can be considered an improvement

2. Suspension travels through its arc and postive camber increases (probable): Here is where it gets interesting. What is critical here is knowing/plotting out the degrees of positive camber gain throughout the travel.

IF degree of positive camber increases at a linear rate, and the desired static camber can be set, there should be no increase in positive camber for the same arc than what is built in from the factory during travel through the arc. The reduction in rate (speed) of suspension compression would provide better control as long there is enough travel to support tire contact to the ground as needed.

IF Positive camber increases exponentially as suspension travels through its arc, you can expect that the contact patch of the tires will be greatly lessened even if desired static camber can be set. A benefit of increased spring rates will reduce/slow the frequency for the suspension to travel through its arc in everyday driving.

At the end of the day, aside from any suspension design flaws, tires are the biggest influence in how a car is perceived and measured in handling prowess.

My '69 has custom wound 650 lb springs that have a 2.5" shorter installed/loaded height. I run 245-45-17's all around on 8" wide wheels. The car has a great ride and handles tons better than stock.

I would recommend this set up to anyone although spring rates starting at 550 lb are more than sufficient when used with HD shocks.
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