Mothers\', McGuires Products = Junk

wash you dishes with car soap and see if you hands don't do the same thing. a car turning white from dishsoap ???? I really don't think so. that's called faded by the sun in most cases.

and once again the post is read incorectly. The harsh dish soap removes needed polymers in the clear coat "drying " it out. This allows the sun to fade it or turn it white subsequently allowing it to flake off. I guess i need to clarify better......
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turtle wax always has folks asking me "wow what wax did you use?" mirror finish if done correctly.

Turtle wax is not that bad. I have very little recent experience with it, must be at least 10 years since I used it, I'm sure they have improved their formula by now. I stopped using it because it was difficult to remove. More than once, I would wax the car, then buff all the wax off each section, with a soft towel, on each section as it dried.

Once finished I would go over everything again, just in case I missed something. Still, it never failed that about 3 days to a week later, some areas would show up with left over wax that didn't buff off the 1st or the 2nd time around. Maybe I was a victim of a whole bunch of practical jokes?

I guess when the picked the turtle as mascot, they knew what they were doing. [img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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On 2007-04-11 12:42, mustang42782 wrote:
ok so you are telling me that after i block sand a new paint job with clear on it that i shouldnt buff it ? I have never been witness to so much bs in one discussion in my life. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

If you are doing a custom paint job, I'm pretty sure you put more than one coat of clear over the base? You know that your are going to block sand and buff the paint, so you put enough on the car to accomodate the end block sanding and still leave enough to protect the paint. When I had my fiberglass hood done, they must have put 5 or 6 coats of clear on it. Once it was wet-sanded, it looked like a metal hood.

What we were talking about - at least what I was talking about - was OEM paint and how it doesn't last as long since the factories changed over from single stage to 2-stage on most cars. I doubt if anyone was attempting to compare a custom paint job with the result of aging on a factory paint job. I know that some Macco, Schiebs (sp) type places are now offering to do a clear coat on factory paint jobs that have lost their clear coat - whether it was by weather or bad maintenance. I an indirect way, when a big chain starts to target a service like that, it must be a pretty big market of failed paint to justify the advertising.

Funny how you can still find old cars in barns, parked out behind the house or in a side yard that still have paint that can be waxed to a shine, yet fairly new cars from the 80's and 90's need a repaint. I don't think you can blame it all on poor maintenance. Maybe they painted those old Buicks and Mercury's with a brush to get such thick coats on them. [img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] ...just joking.

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i hear yah on the old paints. The good ol' EPA ruined paint as we know it thats for sure. But on the other hand i have wet sanded factory clear and buffed it (2000 grit on a da sander) with awesome results. I did this after doing the research as to how much there is available as far as mils so it wasnt too thin. Ford trucks factory finish has to be the all time worst , Dodge being about the top with Toyota then Chevy. So it has come up alot to " brighten" up a vehicle a bit from time to time.

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Painting a car with a brush isn't a joke. The Rolls Royce was painted with a brush, at least a few years ago. I don't know how they paint them today.
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Lots about soap and wax! To polish chrome I use a product called never-dull pads. It is cotton wadding with a nonabrasive polish imbedded in it. It does a great job and is relatively cheap. It comes in a silver metal can. Try it sometime![img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

I can't remember if I saw it on ford muscle or another forum where a guy was talking about painting his car with a foam roller and a gallon of the canadian equivelent to rustoleum. The paint job was AMAZING and the guy claimed it has held up for 6 or 7 years now and even taken a couple stones bouncing off the finish with no damage. the total cost for materials was under $100.

Cheap, easy, less prep work and no overspray. I'm tempted to try it myself......anybody remember this thread.

I saw that car and it was wet sanded for about a half a century to smoothe out the paint, and then buffed. The guy painted it in his driveway under a cottonwood tree.

Hey Mustang Fella...

My Clear DON'T turn white or yellow! [img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

When I said that clear is to protect the paint I ment exactly that. You know it as well as I do.

In 1984 I painted my 1964 Thinderbird with acryllic enamel and cleared it with Durethane DU-1000 a urethane clear that was fairly recent to the market, that car and the paint and clear are still on it in Mission Valley Calif... I washed it with DAWN for several years and with JOY when I couldn't find Dawn....

Maybe it was the way I prepped and painted and cleared it and maybe it was the wax I used... I dunno anymore.... I won't change though... [img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Lastly: I see no way for a friggin dish soap to actually STRIP polymers from CURED paint or clear.... Please tell me how this process is accomplished...

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