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02-24-2005, 04:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ported DOOE 351w heads on a 331 - some new pics

I've had these pics around for a couple of years now since I ported these heads (sorry...I didn't take a pic of the intake ports). Maybe this will help anyone considering a port job on '69 or '70 351w heads.

The intakes were scribed to match Felpro 1262 gaskets ( 2.10 x 1.28 ). The exhausts were scribed to match Mr Gasket Copperseal gaskets ( 1.48 x 1.25 ). It's important to note that the gaskets were moved up as high as they would go ( with a couple of bolts at each end screwed into the head for alignment ) to put more emphasis on the port roof without lowering the floor. IOW, the port roofs are being raised while the floor is being left essentially intact as is. This tends to straighten the ports increasing flow. Once they were scribed, they were opened up to match the scribe marks and smoothed into the port. The roof was raised by something like 1/8" and the sides were widened significantly. The thermactor hump is history. The valve guide area was reduced significantly and smoothed. The throat was opened up somewhat to accomodate the larger 1.94/1.60 valves. The short side radius was smoothed to remove casting flaws, but not much more was done to the short side radius except to widen it. The hump due to the pushrod hole in the intake was reduced by about 1/16" to 3/32" to smooth this transition. Lowering it much more than that would have resulted in the area being thinner than I was comfortable with.

Final intake port volume is 160cc. Exhaust port volume is unknown, but the ports are at least 40% larger than stock...you can drop a pencil right thru the ports easily. I would not recommend going any larger than 1.48 x 1.25 on the exhaust ports...this is on the large end of the spectrum and it becomes a bit more difficult to find headers that have inlet ports as large as the head port opening. I am using Dougs tri-y headers.

The heads were given to the machine shop to add screw in studs, guide plates, SS valves, bronze guides, hardened exhaust seats, re-surfacing, and a valve job. $550 later they were ready for installation. Final chamber volume is 61cc.

The heads are on my 331 which has chassis dyno'd at 335 RWHP @ 6300. Rear wheel torque is 337 @ 3800. Flywheel HP and Torque are probably in the 395 to 400 area. All in all, my goal was a streetable yet good performing small block and i'm very pleased with the performance of the engine.






11/02/06 Update:

I didn't take enough pics of my heads when I built my engine over 3 years ago, but since it be apart I shot some pics that I have wanted to share for a while for anyone consdering DOOEs in their engine buildup.

I chose DOOEs for my 331 because I get more satisfaction from making HP and I enjoy experimenting. This is my second or third set of heads that I have ported. I can remember porting a set of '66 390 GT heads back in the 70s with a dremel tool and my motorcycle helmet for protection...geez that took a while to do, but the engine ran very well.

The engine specs are in my sigpic and the HP and TQ were both in the 400/400 area with peak HP and TQ at 6400 and 4100, respectively. With the few mods i'm planning this time around, i'm anticipating 420-425 HP and 405 TQ.

The intake volume is 160cc and the exhaust volume is 60cc. Felpro 1262 gaskets (2.10 x 1.25) and a Copperseal gasket (1.48 x 1.25) were used to provide the outline for the ports.

The gaskets were placed on the heads with the existing port toward the bottom of the gasket opening and then the heads were scribed. I did this to put most of the emphasis on raising the ports. The intake roof was raised about 1/16 to 1/8 and the exhausts were raised about 1/8. I did very little to the short side radius except to smooth it. Both intake and exhaust runners were widened significantly. The throats were opened up too to accomodate the 1.94 and 1.60 valves

The intake hump for the pushrod hole was taken down to within 1/16 to 1/32 of the hole. The thermactor humps are totally gone in the exhaust ports and the raised valve guide area is also completely gone. The intake manifold was port matched to the heads.

I slightly reshaped the chambers on each end to reduce valve shrouding. Final chamber volume is 61cc. Finally, I used sandpaper rolls to give the ports a semi smooth surface. Polishing intake ports can be detrimental and in general polishing only has a small contribution to flow so I didn't bother.

I found some irregularities in the intake runners around the pushrod hole hump last weekend that I didn't catch 3 years ago so maybe they will flow better now.

The scratches in the exhaust ports are from a sandpaper roll when I was trying to remove some of the carbon.

intake inlet

intake bowl

exhaust outlet

exhaust bowl


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02-25-2005, 12:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Your heads look really good!!. Any flow numbers?
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02-28-2005, 01:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Your heads look really good!!. Any flow numbers?

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Folks i've spoken to who have done similiar work on these heads are seeing flow numbers in the 220 and 180 area at .500 to .550 lift for intake and exhaust, respectively. I figure these are right about there and the HP i've obtained is right in line with those flow numbers. I suppose if I we're building an engine any larger than a 331, a set of aftermarkets would be the way to go, but these heads would really do a lot to wake up a 289, 302 or a 331 like mine.

I switched from a 650 VS holley to a 750 VS holley a few weeks ago. I've run into several people who have gone to a larger than normal carb just to pick up 10-15 HP so I thought i'd give it a try. I bought dodgestang's 770 street avenger and had it custom tuned. I put it on and took it to the chassis dyno a few weeks ago, but the secondaries were not opening beyond 50%. I had them manually open them up and torque and HP were significantly above the old chassis dyno curve which was 308 RWHP and 307 RWTQ, especially torque. HP slowly converged back close to the old number of 308 and ended up at 313 RWHP @ 6300. Torque is hard to say because they opened up the secondaries after 3700 rpm where torque peaks, but I feel it could be somewhere in the 320 range based on how much above the old curve it was. Not a huge gain, but I can feel the diference thru the mid range. It's more responsive off the line too. I just had to do it for curiosity sake. I've got a dual plane weiand stealth. Dual planes, from what i've been told, allow for the use of a larger carb without sacrificing low and mid range.

Took it home and pulled the secondary shaft out because it felt like it was binding. One of the teflon bushings was boogered up. Fixed it and now the secondaries turn freely. I'll have to take it back for a final dyno soon.

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Mine flowed 197/174
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03-01-2005, 05:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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With a beat up valve job that had several years of abuse on it, my self ported 289 heads flowed 218/176 intake and exhaust.

These weren't the best 289 castings... These were the C6OE with the thermactor hump on the top corner, which gives the exhaust port a weird shape. The better 289 heads are the C5 castings, as they do not have a thermactor bump, and their port is straight. (like a early 351W head or E7 with the boss ground out)

I originally did mine back before all the aftermarket heads and stroker kits came out. Back then, there weren't hardly ANY street small block Fords that could touch it. Street racing was always interesting. On paper, I always looked like the loser, but when the loud pedals hit the carpet... that little mustang was almost always out front with the chevy boys looking at it's tail lights. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

They always counted on an automatic win when racing a small block Ford... (or about any ford for that matter) One guy with a nitroused big block chevelle sold his car a week after making a payment to yours truly. (this was before my car had nitrous) [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

There were a LOT of guys that just didn't do their homework back then. These days, the VAST aftermarket, credit cards and the internet can make about anybody a contender... as long as their plastic doesn't burn out.

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After Reading the intake manifold porting article from CarCraft nov 2000 (can be found here: www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/ccnov2000/ccnov2000.htm ). I was just thinking, what is limiting the intake flow, when ported like this, to be 210-220 cfm?

The article says that the Torker 289 ported can flow 260 cfm. But even full ported the ports are not as the big as the stock ports i the 351w heads.

So are the intake ports in the head big enough for even more flow, but bowl or shape are the limiting thing? Then there is no reason to spending time on gasket matching the intake ports, if there is no missalignment with the intake manifold, or is there?

I have a pair of C9 heads with 1.94/1.60, some rough porting done allready and I`m looking where to improve the porting allready done. My heads have a lot done in the exhausts but only a cleanup in the bowls on the intakes.
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After Reading the intake manifold porting article from CarCraft nov 2000 (can be found here: http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/c.../ccnov2000.htm ). I was just thinking, what is limiting the intake flow, when ported like this, to be 210-220 cfm?

The article says that the Torker 289 ported can flow 260 cfm. But even full ported the ports are not as the big as the stock ports i the 351w heads.

So are the intake ports in the head big enough for even more flow, but bowl or shape are the limiting thing? Then there is no reason to spending time on gasket matching the intake ports, if there is no missalignment with the intake manifold, or is there?

I have a pair of C9 heads with 1.94/1.60, some rough porting done allready and I`m looking where to improve the porting allready done. My heads have a lot done in the exhausts but only a cleanup in the bowls on the intakes.

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I'd have to say that the intake outflows the heads because the intake runners are straighter than an intake port that has a big bend in it. Anything you can do to effectively straighten a port has a significant impact on flow. As far as port matching, if the manifold is larger than the intake port of the head in any dimension...top, bottom or sides...creating an exposed step, the incoming air is going to hit this obstruction causing turbulence. If the manifold were not creating this step(the same size as the head port or smaller), then the effect of port matching (as long as the manifold flows well) is minimized. In any case, I would always check how the ports are matching up and correct a obstruction if it exists.
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The cylinder head has that big thing in the way... called a valve. Plus, the airflow path has to turn roughly 90 degrees before flowing out around the sides of that valve. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

80% of a cylinder's flow gains are generally found 1" above and 1" below the valve seat. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Thanks [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_tup.gif[/img]

Then I will take a close look on the bowls and the intake valveguides. Change the valves to some Milodon undercut stems I have. Unshrouding the intake valve should help to, I think. 1.94 are very close to the chamber walls.

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I added some new pics to the original post for anyone interested

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346 RWHP@6400 on a warm spring day (335 RWHP SAE corr.)


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