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05-25-2008, 11:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
BluBlood
 
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Question 30 MPG out of a 5.0 Mustang?

Hello. I have a nearly stock '88 LX 5.0 with AOD. If I drive right, I get 19 MPG around town and 21 on the highway. I'd like to get 30 MPG and not kill my power. I knew a mechanic back in the 80's that had an early Fox body with a 302 that got 30 MPG all the time. He died a couple of years ago and now I can't ask him how to do it. I did get 26 MPG out of mine on a trip from home in low elevation, humid Texas to dry, high elevation Denver. I stayed between 75 to 85 MPH most of the way and had go up to 90 MPH in Colorado to keep from getting ran over. The closer I got to Denver on my trip, the better my mileage, but my power lessened. On my trip back home my mileage lessened, but my power returned. It seems like the thinner air in Colorado would have hurt my mileage. A few things I am considering is trading the AOD for a T5 and using 1.5" equal length, long tube headers. I already have a 2.5" off-road h-pipe with Super 40's and no tailpipes. I think the March ram air setup might help also. Is there a better intake or anything else that might help? What about turbocharging? Would a Mass Air conversion do anything for me? I'd appreciate any help you can give. Gas prices are killing me.
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05-25-2008, 11:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 30 MPG out of a 5.0 Mustang?

If your getting better milage going into higher elavations it would seem that your car is running lean at your normal elavation.


The Mass air would deffinatly help. The computer would be able to adjust the spark and fuel ratios on the fly as the conditions change.


The MArch Ram Air would also help but watch out for puddles as you could suck up some water and go into hydro static lock.

I would think the T-5 would give even better milage. It has a way lower first gear ratio, and a extra ratio before 1:1 in 4th.
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05-26-2008, 02:24 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 30 MPG out of a 5.0 Mustang?

Non mass air Mustangs also can adjust fuel ratio when conditions change and they do this using their MAP (manifold air pressure) sensors which detects manifold air density as well as by their built in air density sensor and exhaust O2 sensors. The reason you get better mileage at high altitude is that at high altitude, because the air is less dense, there are fewer molecules of air going through your engine for each revolution, than there would be near sea level. Fewer molucules of air, means that fewer molecules of fuel are needed to keep air ratios correct, so the computer automatically feeds less fuel to the engine during each injector cycle. At high altitude your engine essentially acts like a smaller cubic inch, lower compression, engine. Also, at high altitude it takes slightly less power to move your vehicle down the road, again because the air is less dense and creates slightly less wind resistance than does dense sea level air. That's the same reason that jets like to fly at 30,000 feet of altitude and higher even on relatively short flights..... because they burn way less fuel up there, as their planes are much easier to push through the less dense air.
There are a few things that will almost always increase gas mileage. Increasing compression ratios, spinning the engine slower, reducing exhaust back pressure, and leaning out the air fuel mixtures. All of these things listed here, with the exception of reducing exhaust back pressures, of course have their limits.
EFI engine are calibrated to have an air - fuel ratio of 14.7 to 1, which is ideal for producing exhaust gas mixtures that will enable catalytic converters to reduce emissions to the lowest possible level, however, the best fuel economy occurs at between 15.5 and 16 to 1.
During light throttle cruise conditions, actual cylinder pressures are very moderate compared to pressures at wide open throttle, therefore increased compression ratios are of more benefit to engine efficiency at light throttle cruise conditions than they are at wide open throttle.... which means that high compression actually is of more benefit to part throttle fuel economy than it is to WOT horsepower. The limit here is octane requirements neccesary to run very high compression ratios.
It should be obvious that a higher geared, slower spinning engine will use less fuel. There is an additional benefit to spinning an engine slower. To produce the same usable power at a lower RPM, the same amount of total air volume must travel travel through an engine, but if the engine is rotating slower, there will be less manifold vacuum and therefore more air density and cylinder pressure in each cylinder, which just like a higher compression ratio, helps the combustion cycle to be more efficient. The limit here is that gearing a car too high creates a vehicle that has no power at cruising speeds and you'll end up gearing down for every little hill.... bad for fuel economy.
Forget all the 'old wives tales' about engines needing backpressure to run properly. With a 4 stroke engine that is simply not true. Reducing exhaust back pressure reduces the amount of residual exhaust present in the cylinder when the next combustion cycle starts. For efficient combusition, the engine needs pure clean air, not air with left over exhaust mixed in with it. The only limit here is that very low restriction exhaust systems can often be somewhat loud, and perhaps in places, even be illegal. (removing catalytic converters) However, from an effeciency and performance viewpoint, the lowest restriction exhaust system is always the best.
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05-26-2008, 10:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 30 MPG out of a 5.0 Mustang?

I heard about a special grind cam the Delta cam is doing for Geo Metros that has been fabled to increase their mileage by 30% I have not called Scott at Delta yet to see if this is BS or? I heard the mystic grind was contrived by a "Lazy B" engineer, and the only draw back was it becomes difficult to pass emissions with this cam. If this is true, I imagine the same could be applied to
a 302/5.0?

I have a V8 Ranger that I would like to experiment with in order to get max mpg.
A lightened & destroked 289 crank/Honda rods. I have a friend that grinds cranks.
Run as much compression that cat pee gas will support.
Roller cam, lifters, EFI, T-5
Run the tire pressure up.
On and On

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05-26-2008, 02:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 30 MPG out of a 5.0 Mustang?

The Auto industries went through this same thing in the seventies , Manufacturers tried mileage cams ,Crappy intakes that just killed power and a lot of other ideas . The bottom line was if you want economy then you need a car with a smaller engine . all of these ideas did make improvement but the engines were so gutless that you might as well just install a 4 banger . Those were not good times for hot roding but it sure looks like it is coming back . Do we see a 4 banger Mustang and no V8 option just like in 1974.

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