T&L ENGINES IN N.C.

Well, this basically sucks my testicles....I want to order a motor, and have heard many good things about t&l, but this post worries menow, what to d, what to do???

Call CHP, They have a sale right now on all Short blocks, long blocks and crate motors

When in business, one bad report is worth a thousand

Your right, one bad report is worth a thousand, and its unfortunate. It is even more sad when it is done because someone becomes irrational and says things that are not true. If only the thousands of good reports, satisfied customers, and national attention T and L gets could outweigh the bad. T and L Engines were featured in more national magazines this year so far than any other engine shop; told that by David Vizard who is here on a regular basis doing write ups on our builds. Google his name and see if he doesn't carry enough clout for you. Or go pick up the November issues of Chevelle magazine, Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords, or Popular Hot Rodding. We are in them all. Notice pipedoctor was referred to us by his car builder. His car builder was StreetBeasts. Just give Lloyd a call, he takes 99% of the sales calls at T and L and I gaurantee after speaking with him, you wouldn't hesitate to order an engine. Enough with that...we all can appreciate a pic of a nice blower motor. Here is pipedoctors baby. All she needs is the blower belt installed and we will bring it to life.

I wasnt saying anything bad about you guys at all. BUT on the otherhand, if I waited a year for an engine, I would be a little peeved as well. Now with that said, from what I have been told, T&L is a great engine shop, and is even known at a place in North Carolina where I used to work at, and they are the high end of NASCAR racing.

That is one messed up engine. The damn distributor is in the back of the engine!

Follow Up,

I think it would only be fair to post a follow up, as I blasted T&L earlier.

I finally got my engine from them. It was 8 weeks late, but finally did arrive. It looks good, and arrived in good condition. Time will tell if it is good. From the build specs, it should be a good engine. T&L has a good reputation as an engine builder. Just takes a long time to get one.

Lloyd is backed up over 100 engines. So, it will take at least 4 months to get an engine, or longer. The key point here is, you will get your engine, just depends on how high your "pain" threshold is. Is it worth the wait? I have no idea. If I had it to do over again, I would pay a little more, and get it locally.

It used to be, in the racing circuit around Charlotte, if you wanted to win, you had to run a T&L engine. Not so anymore. Technology has caught up, and the use of CNC machining centers has equalized the playing field. So exact tolerances are common place now.

Llolyd is a nice guy, just way behind. Probably will be for the next 8 years.

Wayne

Slow yes, but they do stand by their product. My engine had some problems and I sent it back. Every Valve guide had failed (Bad batch from Crane). Lloyd took the engine without a quibble and I'm happy to say it runs stronger now than before. T&L valve job v/s RHS is to blame for the extra HP. Thanks Lloyd, this is the monster engine I wanted powering my Cobra and it screams.

P.S. Do you give discount coupons for tires??? The rears can't handle the torque...

Well heres another version of T&L engines. We had an engine (347) built by T&L 2 yrs ago. Complete oil pan to intake, forged everything, lots of upgrades. Supposedly made 485 h.p on their dyno all motor w/1 1/2" headers. Our bill was $8200 when done. They warranty their engines for 12months/12k miles. Okay we had major transmission issues for the 1st 6 months we had the engine. So the car sat in the shop not moving. Finally we got it up and running and 1st issue was oil pressure. It was scary low to me. However I had never had a solid roller cam engine. T&L assured me low pressure was normal with a solid roller cam. Okay. I buy it.
By the time we got the engine tested and the trans set up and all, the season was over. The most it ran was 16-20 passes, did a 90 mile round trip to a car show. thats it. Mind you its a natural aspirated 347 no spray nothing. In a car using 6400rpm limiter and shifting at 5800-6000rpm.
Next season, we get the car going with a new trans as the AOD Sucked we bought from performance automatic. Were now running into our 30th pass or so and the crank blows at 1200' oils the track down and puts the $26,000 car into the wall, destroying the back half rendering it all a pile of junk.
Take the engine to loydd at T&L. It took him 2 months to tear it down and tell us what went wrong. He blames it on a $380 fluidamper! BUll****! Okay, now he says he'll make it right with us and only charge us parts to fix it. Mind you the ONLY things salvageable were the heads and oil pan!!!!! Says it will take 3-6 weeks to get it done. 6 months pass. Between calls, faxes and emails not less than 30 times inquiring the status, NONE returned or even answered! Finally get an email saying it will be ready in 2 weeks. We call at 2 weeks later Loydd says it will dyno end of next week. We go another 2 full weeks and drive 145 miles to pick it up. We get there and the bare block is sitting on the stand with the still stripped heads on the bench.
So in a nutshell we have an engine thats not made 35 passes, or gone 100 miles and it disintegrates, taking out an entire car. 7.5 months pass and they still have no engine even close to ready to go for us. yet they sell 10+ ENGINES PER WEEK ON eBAY?
TO HELL WITH t&l AND THE BULL**** THEY GIVE YOU. stay AWAY, STAY AWAY STAY AWAY!

Forgot to mention. My fiancee, (the driver) has been published in Muscle Mustangs and fast Fords twice. Race pages magazine 3 times. Shes a KNOCKOUT to look at, and grabs all the attention anyone can handle. So one would THINK a company might make just the slightest effort more to keep a high profile customer making headlines. If you follow Fun ford or NMRA in bristol, atlanta. bradenton, orlando or Holcomb Civil Wars at Rockingham. YOU have seen her and her car....Trust me you would remember her...