What does everybody think of the 6.0 powerstrokes? Compared to the 7.3?

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true about GM, it's a nice fullsize car with a bed, kinda like an el camino all grown up.
about the auto tranny...go ask guys that swap cummins engines into ford trucks what they think about using a ford auto tranny behind even a stock cummins...you'll get laughed outa town real quick. those guys would rather have a stock 48re than a slightly modded torque-sh!t. however most swappers go with a manual trans because that's really the only trans that can hold up to the cummins and tow.
and about the POS dodge, have you actually driven in a cab that's newer than '93? they're a lot nicer than the first gen dodges. and since the dodge trucks are such POS's, how do you think the cummins engines get a million miles on them? the engines don't drive down the road by themselves and I've never heard of a dodge guy swapping his cab out a few times or finding another truck to put his engine in(well, unless there's a wreck or something). the 94-98 interior/cab is good for what it is, the 98-02 cab is really nice and the 03-05 cab is nice too.

anyway, back to topic...the 6.0 is horrible compared to the 7.3
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I stand corrected, I only said what ive heard, that the only way you can keep a cummins for a while in a dodge is to get a 6 speed manual, otherwise u will be dropping tranny's left and right. What i heard, i guess not the truth.

As far as the cabs go, i havent been in a newer one, but my dad test drove one when he bought his 2000 superduty, and he said it was kinda like riding in a lumber wagon. And the engine was very very loud.

And i think you should look back, I never said anything about the cabs or frames rusting away. All i said was that on average most heavy duty Dodge trucks are POS's compared to ford heavy duty trucks. Minus the Cummins of course.

As for the dodge being slow and boring to drive, but its ok becasue diesals rnt for fun. How about this, How many Superdutys do you see driving around with powerstrokes? VERY VERY MANY. That is not because all those people need diesal power, its becasue they WANT diesal power. America is still free, so poeple can buy what they want. Most people now dont want a truck that is a LITTLE better for towing, but boring to drive. They want a luxery vehicle that can tow, and is fun to drive.

My dad bought a 2000 superduty with the 7.3. He has 185K on it, engine doesnt take oil, and no hints of problems. He doesnt tow everyday with it, but he will pull a bobcat a couple times a week. He doesnt want to spend that time bouncing around, He wants to be comfortable with leather interior, smooth ride, and reletivily quiet engine. He also goes out to Colorado once a year elk hunting. Pulls 5 fourwheelers, and all the heaviest gear with ease, has the biggest cab, easily gets the best milage, and is the most comfortable on the 18 hour drive.

I dont know what the inside of the new dodges look like, but i know what the inside of a fordsuperduty looks like in 2000 and 2004, and i like what i see, and the ride i get. If you would put Ford superduties from 1990 to 2006 and dodge cummins from 1990 to 2006, for the most part, The ford would have a much nicer ride, and nicer cab, and be an nicer overall truck, excluding the engines of course. Straight up work truck, dragging around a bobcat everyday, dodge would probably take it hands down. Anything else, I think ford would take.

Maveman, for you diesals dont sound like the answer, when you are used to driving around a Lighting, the diesals are going to be slow, let me tell you this, i rode in my cuz's 6.0 with a big chip, and i know it wouldnt have beat the lighting, but it wouldnt have disapeared like you would expect a 10,000 lb truck to. The only probelm with that is that chip will probaly melt that engine before long, just too big of chip.
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I think that general thought is that if you get a good 6.0 they are a very good motor, (but if you get a lemon, which you very easily could) big problems. There are just too many lemons.
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[img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] I am a Ford tech for 14 years. I am primarilly a truck tech. 6.0L diesels are absolute GARBAGE ! Anything and everything goes wrong with them. You never know what you are going to find when you start working on them. Sure they have plenty of power, but thats the ONLY good thing I have to say about them, 00-03 7.3s are the best diesels Ford ever produced (IMO). Oil leaks,dead injectors,worn through wiring harnesses, Blown apart Torque shift trannies,Poor head gaskets, are just the basics If you can overlook these traits then you`ll like your 6.0L [img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_lame.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_tdown.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img]

Well since you are a diesal tech, you are bias, you have only seen the bad ones. I agree, many things can and will go wrong with them. They make great power, but things go wrong, very few brand new moters have on problems. I think the 6.0 could be killer, they need to work the bugs out, im not talking about a few months, give this thing 2 more years and i think it could be comparable to the 7.3 in reliability.

Everything that goes wrong with them happens for a reason, I dont think ford is just sitting there and saying oh they have problems. They are finding those probelmes and looking for ways to fix them.


(quote) If you can overlook these traits then you`ll like your 6.0L (quote)

You have seen all those traits becasue you work on the ones that have problems, and only the ones that have problems. you have probably only seen a few of those things once or twice. Of all the 6.0 sold, i dont think they can be considered "traits." people on here have had good luck with the 6.0 and i have heard of people that have had great luck with them.

They are an engine with problems, but what engine doesnt. They definatly arent the best diesal around, but i wouldnt quite say they are completly junk.

im a diesel tech of 13yrs at a ford dealer in houston,work for a cat dealer for 2 yrs,the 6.ooohhhhh....crap!is just that...........crap.the engine needs to be detuned to 250-275 hp to stay together,(TO STAY TOGETHER) like the vans.same power as the 7.3DIT,lets see here.........?heads lifting off block rubber band head bolts,sticking vanes in turboes,egr valves sticking,inj comming apart,or orings blowing out,branch tube cracks,quick dsiconnect fittings dis connecting with out the tool,(takes 3-4 hrs to get to a QIUCK DISCONNECTING FITTING on high press pump,WHAT THE F.....!!!!!!! ,turbo tubes cracking,oil coolers,DAMMIT im getting pissed at having to go to work tomarrow.id love to get my foot to the codds of the engineers that designed the engine,wheather it be fords fault or internationals fault,my foot needs to meet thier CODDS!!!i have ttwo 7.3 super dutys both 2000,4x4 use them only to work,love them,lats true diesel from ford IMO.

Thanks Torino 501. I guess you have to work on them to actually see how difficult they are to work on, and poorly made. I just put an IPR in one 4 days ago. WOW what a good place for that. I also noticed oil pooring out of the ICP sensor. Then after it started I had # 3 injector out to lunch. We don`t make this stuff up, it happens daily![img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_bicker.gif[/img]

oh yeah ...forgot to metion the pos high press pump screen that always comes apart,damn thging is made out of plastic and the mesh screen looks line the pick up screen in a efi fuel tank,damn thing just falls to pieces,seen them as early as 15-18k miles,thsi screen PROTECTs the high press pump,the screen cost maybe $10.00 prob has .50 cents into it,the old 7.3l has a steel mesh screen to protect it,piss poor engineering.im at work now......10 am i need a drink already can you say JOB SECURITY!!!

I know what you mean. I`m diesel free so far today. I hope it stays that way.

I have another 6.0L with 2 dead cylinders, No ICP pressure, and a seized turbo[img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_bicker.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] GOD I HATE 6.0 LITERS)[img]/forums/images/smiles/icon_topicsucks.gif[/img]

We have ten trucks 8 have 7.3’s 1 has a 6.0 and the newest one has a Cat. The new F650 with the Cat is a dog big truck but still a dog. The 03 F450 with the 6.0 has it’s problems for sure, just had 8 new injectors installed 2 weeks ago and the boys tell me the engine light is coming on again. It has been at the dealer more than any truck we have. The 7.3 are rock solid in my book, they all have over 200,000 on them and they are still running strong. When the Boss first brought the 6.0 into the shop and I opened the hood I almost ****……………Not me I said bring it to the dealer…………

They suck the 6.0 that is…..LOL


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